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	<title>Comments on: If the iPhone SDK is a &#8220;joke&#8221;, Apple will laugh all the way to the bank</title>
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		<title>By: Boom! Apple blows past expectations. One more thing: Future outlook conservative &#187; VentureBeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boom! Apple blows past expectations. One more thing: Future outlook conservative &#187; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the SDK (software development kit) for the iPhone, Apple says that over 200,000 developers have already signed up and downloaded the kits. Of note is that one third of the Fortune 500 companies are said [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tech, How to, Software Reviews, Linux, Dog, Make Money Online with AhTim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tech, How to, Software Reviews, Linux, Dog, Make Money Online with AhTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Free iPhone SDK Downloads for Developers...&lt;/strong&gt;

After waiting for so long since I reviewed my iPod Touch on December 2007, Apple has released its iPhone SDK for download finally.
According to Apple, Apple&#8217;s iPhone SDK has been downloaded 100,000 times just in four days! What a hot reaction fro...</description>
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<p>After waiting for so long since I reviewed my iPod Touch on December 2007, Apple has released its iPhone SDK for download finally.<br />
According to Apple, Apple&#8217;s iPhone SDK has been downloaded 100,000 times just in four days! What a hot reaction fro&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: daykitchenun</title>
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		<dc:creator>daykitchenun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I go back and saw home horizontal up across And grapes, up to and foxes Forest.</description>
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		<title>By: Rumor: iPhone SDK restrictions due to impending 3G iPhone with IM/video chat &#187; VentureBeat</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-800044</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumor: iPhone SDK restrictions due to impending 3G iPhone with IM/video chat &#187; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] developers from creating applications on the iPhone that run continuously in the background (our coverage), is that the company does not want anyone to create a competitor for a new iChat application that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: HTC has a &#8216;Dream&#8217;: That not all Android phones are created equal &#187; VentureBeat</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-799607</link>
		<dc:creator>HTC has a &#8216;Dream&#8217;: That not all Android phones are created equal &#187; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Proponents of Android say that it offers a more open environment from which to develop than a device such as the iPhone. Apple recently unveiled its SDK (software development kit) but some application makers have complained about the constraints of the platform (our coverage). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Proponents of Android say that it offers a more open environment from which to develop than a device such as the iPhone. Apple recently unveiled its SDK (software development kit) but some application makers have complained about the constraints of the platform (our coverage). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MG Siegler</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-799361</link>
		<dc:creator>MG Siegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marc - right on. thanks for all the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marc &#8211; right on. thanks for all the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Fawzi</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-799323</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Fawzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having spoken my mind, I agree with the &quot;Let&#039;s wait and see&quot; sentiment...

Good discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having spoken my mind, I agree with the &#8220;Let&#8217;s wait and see&#8221; sentiment&#8230;</p>
<p>Good discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Fawzi</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-799322</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Fawzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Siegler, I&#039;m not saying the iPhone is doomed in any way. It&#039;s a great piece of art/technology.

What I&#039;m saying is that Apple wants to control the developers not the user experience, and there is a difference.

If they want to control the user experience then they can set quality criteria that must be validated during the certification/verification process.

But what they have done is to enforce limitations on what the developers can or cannot do. 

You can control the user experience by setting quality criteria, e.g. 1) the app must not interfere with the operation of any other app, 2) the app must use memory conservatively, etc. 

But to force black and white rules on what type of application, e.g. browser, music store (will be rejected for sure), background, multi-threaded, should be allowed is more about controlling what can be developed so as not to have developers build game changing applications that will harm Apple (e.g. think Amazon&#039;s mp3 store). 

Apple cares about the quality of the user experience only because they care about their brand. 

But if they ALSO cared about the greater good they would let Amazon, Firefox and a million other developers bring their applications to the iPhone with Quality being the only crietria. 

Some of those 3rd party applications may be positioned to replace existing iPhone applications because they offer certain popular features that the iPhone versions will not offer (due to Apple&#039;s business model or lack of focus on a particular area.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Siegler, I&#8217;m not saying the iPhone is doomed in any way. It&#8217;s a great piece of art/technology.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that Apple wants to control the developers not the user experience, and there is a difference.</p>
<p>If they want to control the user experience then they can set quality criteria that must be validated during the certification/verification process.</p>
<p>But what they have done is to enforce limitations on what the developers can or cannot do. </p>
<p>You can control the user experience by setting quality criteria, e.g. 1) the app must not interfere with the operation of any other app, 2) the app must use memory conservatively, etc. </p>
<p>But to force black and white rules on what type of application, e.g. browser, music store (will be rejected for sure), background, multi-threaded, should be allowed is more about controlling what can be developed so as not to have developers build game changing applications that will harm Apple (e.g. think Amazon&#8217;s mp3 store). </p>
<p>Apple cares about the quality of the user experience only because they care about their brand. </p>
<p>But if they ALSO cared about the greater good they would let Amazon, Firefox and a million other developers bring their applications to the iPhone with Quality being the only crietria. </p>
<p>Some of those 3rd party applications may be positioned to replace existing iPhone applications because they offer certain popular features that the iPhone versions will not offer (due to Apple&#8217;s business model or lack of focus on a particular area.)</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>android is the real platform opponent for the iphone. There is no way I&#039;d want to have a phone with crap going on in the background. There is limited resources and I wouldn&#039;t want java picking its nose while I&#039;m trying to send an email.

Comparing the iphone costs to other sdks that are on the market(not google since it is still in planning stages). Wii 10K, ps3 10k, xbox 360 15-20k, xcode tools free, visual studio express free with many catches(but .net sdk is free), RIM, and many others cost thousands of dollars just to look at the SDK. I personally believe *every* computer should come with a developer toolkit that is easily accessible. That is what made me the programmer I am today (BASIC on the apple II).

btw javame is crap. It lost when there was CIDP MIDP, etc et etc. More crap.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>android is the real platform opponent for the iphone. There is no way I&#8217;d want to have a phone with crap going on in the background. There is limited resources and I wouldn&#8217;t want java picking its nose while I&#8217;m trying to send an email.</p>
<p>Comparing the iphone costs to other sdks that are on the market(not google since it is still in planning stages). Wii 10K, ps3 10k, xbox 360 15-20k, xcode tools free, visual studio express free with many catches(but .net sdk is free), RIM, and many others cost thousands of dollars just to look at the SDK. I personally believe *every* computer should come with a developer toolkit that is easily accessible. That is what made me the programmer I am today (BASIC on the apple II).</p>
<p>btw javame is crap. It lost when there was CIDP MIDP, etc et etc. More crap.</p>
<p>Limitations breed creativity</p>
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		<title>By: MG Siegler</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-799311</link>
		<dc:creator>MG Siegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marc - I think that will be interesting to see how consumers react to the iPhone apps versus the more open Android ones. Lets also remember though that this is a very new, and very rapidly evolving area -- as Pete pointed out, initially Apple said no to any native development and was only going to allow it through Safari. They of course changed their mind when the users demanded it. Perhaps they will again or maybe they won&#039;t, but it&#039;s too early to suggest the SDK&#039;s limitation will doom it IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marc &#8211; I think that will be interesting to see how consumers react to the iPhone apps versus the more open Android ones. Lets also remember though that this is a very new, and very rapidly evolving area &#8212; as Pete pointed out, initially Apple said no to any native development and was only going to allow it through Safari. They of course changed their mind when the users demanded it. Perhaps they will again or maybe they won&#8217;t, but it&#8217;s too early to suggest the SDK&#8217;s limitation will doom it IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Hype met: iPhone indeed puts the Internet in your pocket &#187; VentureBeat</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-799294</link>
		<dc:creator>Hype met: iPhone indeed puts the Internet in your pocket &#187; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] check out our coverage on the reports of the iPhone SDK being a &#8220;joke&#8221; and Apple getting its mojo back with the SDK [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] check out our coverage on the reports of the iPhone SDK being a &#8220;joke&#8221; and Apple getting its mojo back with the SDK [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Fawzi</title>
		<link>http://digital.venturebeat.com/2008/03/17/if-the-iphone-sdk-is-a-joke-apple-will-be-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/comment-page-1/#comment-799236</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Fawzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, consumers who love the iPhone for what it is won&#039;t care about the SDK limitations, until they wake up one day and find out that their favorite application only runs on Android.

An analogous question is: 

What if MS controlled what gets published on the PC? Would we have gotten Netscape, Napster, BitTorrent, Skype and Firefox? 

I don&#039;t think so.

Same goes for Apple and the iPhone.

Let&#039;s say that a developer comes up with an idea that could change the world, but it changes the game for Apple in some way. Would Apple approve it? I doubt it.

The subtext to my argument is that they&#039;re not afraid of viruses. They&#039;re afraid of developers running ahead of their own strategy.

If you do not have your own strategy, you&#039;re part of someone else&#039; strategy.

Apple wants the developers to be part of its strategy.

Some developers want to set their own strategy.

There is the conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, consumers who love the iPhone for what it is won&#8217;t care about the SDK limitations, until they wake up one day and find out that their favorite application only runs on Android.</p>
<p>An analogous question is: </p>
<p>What if MS controlled what gets published on the PC? Would we have gotten Netscape, Napster, BitTorrent, Skype and Firefox? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Same goes for Apple and the iPhone.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say that a developer comes up with an idea that could change the world, but it changes the game for Apple in some way. Would Apple approve it? I doubt it.</p>
<p>The subtext to my argument is that they&#8217;re not afraid of viruses. They&#8217;re afraid of developers running ahead of their own strategy.</p>
<p>If you do not have your own strategy, you&#8217;re part of someone else&#8217; strategy.</p>
<p>Apple wants the developers to be part of its strategy.</p>
<p>Some developers want to set their own strategy.</p>
<p>There is the conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look Marc, I don&#039;t think iPhone&#039;s problem was or is not having a choice of several browsers. You have to admit there are more pressing priorities. Safari does the job well. As for ads popping out as I walk down the street, I&#039;ll pass. I get pissed enough with text messages and phone calls. If I want icecream, I use google maps. And I certaily don&#039;t want useless background applications cutting my battery charge down to only an hour or two. And I don&#039;t want to fill my pockets with extra batteries. 

The iPhone as it is, is very close to perfect. Its features still leave me in control instead of controlling me. Exchange and Notes connectivity and corporate networking enhancements will make it indispensible in the enterprise. 

The device has been out just short of six months. Be patient. Let&#039;s see what happens in a year&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look Marc, I don&#8217;t think iPhone&#8217;s problem was or is not having a choice of several browsers. You have to admit there are more pressing priorities. Safari does the job well. As for ads popping out as I walk down the street, I&#8217;ll pass. I get pissed enough with text messages and phone calls. If I want icecream, I use google maps. And I certaily don&#8217;t want useless background applications cutting my battery charge down to only an hour or two. And I don&#8217;t want to fill my pockets with extra batteries. </p>
<p>The iPhone as it is, is very close to perfect. Its features still leave me in control instead of controlling me. Exchange and Notes connectivity and corporate networking enhancements will make it indispensible in the enterprise. </p>
<p>The device has been out just short of six months. Be patient. Let&#8217;s see what happens in a year&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Fawzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Fawzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes well beyond instant messaging.

If this was an idea pad I could describe 10 more compelling applications that must be able to run in the background. 

For example, an application that delivers location-based advertising as you pass by store fronts and restaurants (i.e. ads from those places) You don&#039;t want such application to bug you with ads on constant basis but you may want to set a filter for a specific item, e.g. ice cream. If I happen to pass by any place that sells ice cream then I want to be alerted immediately. There are many things that people want to be notified about in real time context, not just chat messages.

And that&#039;s just one application.

The wiser choice for Apple (in my personal view) is to charge developers a higher price for certifying/verifying their applications. They can outsource the job to companies that specialize in certification/verification. 

Now add to that the strategic mistakes of banning Firefox and Opera from the iPhone. The Firefox team has been working on a touch screen version of Firefox specifically for devices like the iPhone. 

I know that they wish to control the quality of the user experience because they make their money off of hardware not applications. So they need to assure that people have such a great experience with it so it dominates its space like the iPod did for mp3 players. 

But they can control the quality of the user experience through a sound/tight certification/verification process. 

They don&#039;t need to ban competing browsers (that doesn&#039;t sit well with anyone) and they don&#039;t need to put shackles around the hands of application developers.

After all, the iPhone is a single hardware/software platform and verifying the safety/sanity of applications against a single platform is feasible, IMO, especially if they outsource the job to companies that specialize in that.

My 2.0 iCents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes well beyond instant messaging.</p>
<p>If this was an idea pad I could describe 10 more compelling applications that must be able to run in the background. </p>
<p>For example, an application that delivers location-based advertising as you pass by store fronts and restaurants (i.e. ads from those places) You don&#8217;t want such application to bug you with ads on constant basis but you may want to set a filter for a specific item, e.g. ice cream. If I happen to pass by any place that sells ice cream then I want to be alerted immediately. There are many things that people want to be notified about in real time context, not just chat messages.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just one application.</p>
<p>The wiser choice for Apple (in my personal view) is to charge developers a higher price for certifying/verifying their applications. They can outsource the job to companies that specialize in certification/verification. </p>
<p>Now add to that the strategic mistakes of banning Firefox and Opera from the iPhone. The Firefox team has been working on a touch screen version of Firefox specifically for devices like the iPhone. </p>
<p>I know that they wish to control the quality of the user experience because they make their money off of hardware not applications. So they need to assure that people have such a great experience with it so it dominates its space like the iPod did for mp3 players. </p>
<p>But they can control the quality of the user experience through a sound/tight certification/verification process. </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t need to ban competing browsers (that doesn&#8217;t sit well with anyone) and they don&#8217;t need to put shackles around the hands of application developers.</p>
<p>After all, the iPhone is a single hardware/software platform and verifying the safety/sanity of applications against a single platform is feasible, IMO, especially if they outsource the job to companies that specialize in that.</p>
<p>My 2.0 iCents.</p>
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		<title>By: MG Siegler</title>
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		<dc:creator>MG Siegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marc - good perspective. instant messaging is a tricky situation, perhaps that is why Apple made their texting application look like iChat but not really be iChat? i&#039;m all in favor of the Android initiative as well, it&#039;ll be very interesting to see where the two take the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marc &#8211; good perspective. instant messaging is a tricky situation, perhaps that is why Apple made their texting application look like iChat but not really be iChat? i&#8217;m all in favor of the Android initiative as well, it&#8217;ll be very interesting to see where the two take the industry.</p>
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